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Tuesday, 08 April 2008

Last week I wrote the post “Isn’t the answer mobile?” which created a great deal of interest, commentary & thought provoking questions (most on the diversity.net.nz blog). Thanks to those who commented, some of what you wrote provides the basis for this post, as well as comments on Rod Drury’s blog post about fibre-co.

I guess the best starting point is to say last weeks post should have been titled “Isn’t PART of the answer mobile”.  It’s clear from both these posts that mobile technology alone won’t suffice, but equally importantly neither will fibre. The FibreCo idea is audacious, and the vision both compelling and energising (which i suspect is the major goal behind it), however it does have a few weaknesses. I’m not here to throw stones at it, because i love that at least someone has provided some constructive solution to our fast internet conundrum, what follows is my own attempt at it.

 

In my opinion FTTP (key being P not H) is only needed by a small (but hopefully growing) group of businesses. Not everyone needs a raging torrent of internet access, just like not everyone needs Mac trucks, PDA’s, high definition printers or computers at all. Hand in hand wit this, I must also admit that I’m not sold on the 1:1 causality that goes with the belief that ubiquitous fast, cheap internet access will drive economic benefits. I don’t see massive queue’s of ‘weightless businesses” just waiting for fibre, I also don’t see all the other fundamentals (like wages, taxes and support) being addressed to drive the weightless economy. Maybe its chicken & egg, but I’m not convinced.  Simon Arnold also asks if you need ubiquity in his comment on Rod’s blog

But if you go back and look at the source of the benefits being claimed by NZI that make up the $2.7-4.4 billion per year (see http://www.nzinstitute.org/Images/uploads/Broadband%20aspiration%20Sept%202007.pdf) most are able to be captured with much lower than the 75% penertration they are justifying the need for public investment off. I do think a bit of hard nosed analysis of marginal cost of provision versus marginal benefit is warranted.

 

Secondly, if you do need that kind of data through put, you should take Bwooce’s advice …

If you want fast internet access for your business, site your business appropriately. ….. Just as you may choose to live next to an airport, you may choose to live in an area with crap internet coverage

If I may extrapolate this out a little, you may want to even have the position that if fast, large bandwidth internet access is important to you, you should pay for fibre to be connected. The great news is that Telecoms cabinetisation program will make this more affordable. The way I read it (& again-not an engineer!) Telecom will be laying a lot of ducts & the distance to the Cabinet is going to be a lot shorter… so it should the cost of getting Fibre installed will decrease. This position should hold true if you are a business or consumer who wants IP TV.

 

Having said Fibre is just one of the solutions its fair to say that i believe ADSL broadband has a role in our future. For some its more than adequate. Again, as Bwooce says 24 mbps is plenty for email, internet, video conferencing etc. By that, it addresses the NZI’s ‘Telepresence’ and ‘Remote working’ economic benefits. (as a sidepoint even Cisco’s full monty Telepresence system only requires 15 mbps & , that’s way more demanding than a web-cam type approach!)  For digital media and other data intensive sectors is ADSL going to be enough? No, see point 1, buy fibre…

 

Mobile….I caught up with some folks about my previous mobile theory. According to them (the royal them) there area bunch of things you can do on a cell site like sectors, carriers & polarisation which all work to decrease contention, optimise spectrum use and generally make the experience better for the consumer & more economic for the carrier.

Despite popular opinion, ISP economics is important, if they can deliver services cheaper (and make an operating margin), then generally the price to customers will be cheaper, but its not all about price. Again, according to ‘them’, doing all these things could allow you to deliver speeds of up to 1 Mbps (maybe more). This speed would definitely improve if high demand users went to fibre. I know 1 Mbps ain’t fantastic against global benchmarks, but again for some it would be a great leap forward and more than suffice. I’m thinking of people on dial (and there are still nearly 700 000 of those) or old plans (256kbps for instance, again plenty of those) Tom Chignall of Vodafone commented on Rod’s blog 

We don’t need a fibre vision - we need a broadband vision which connects the people of this country to each other and to the outside world.…. Our view is that wireless has a major role to play…., The technology is in place today to deliver as good an experience as I get over my Telecom service (resold thro ugh Vodafone!)in Auckland’s central suburbs. Wireless speeds are doubling very soon and we have Telecom and NZ Comms entering the fray with similar technologies.

 

I agree with Tom’s major points , we need a vision that connects NZ to the world in the most appropriate way for them. I think this vision means when you buy a fast internet plan, you are going to have to make some choices based on your particular needs. If you are one of those companies or people feeling massively restrained by ADSL (financially, gaming wise, IP TV wise) then you are in one camp. If you get on the internet to ‘get the email’ like my mum, dial or mobile technology might be fine for you. The reality is though, what ever you choose, you should be aware that you are going to pay for it ….. there are no free rides. To me this is the crux of the issue for NZ . Just look at the links above, price isn’t the impediment (we’re cheaper than the OECD average), fast speeds are available, so why so many dial and low speed plans? No need for them?

 

 

For all those who did comment and weren’t referenced, your input did help, again many thanks

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free fibre based broadband
written by BC, April 09, 2008
I heard an interesting point from someone the other day. In some countries the price you could get for all the copper in the ground would more than cover the removal cost and installation of fibre. Why then is anyone worried about the cost of Fibre to the Home. We just need a short term investment to get the stuff out of the ground, sold and then we can all have GB internet.
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written by BC, April 09, 2008
Just a another quick point. I was also like you a while ago in the belief that I was unsure of the benefit that Broadband would offer and the wooly statements that people were making about changing lives.
A year on, and I think my views have changed a little. Clearly the reason I didnt think like this was because I had no reference point to see what it would be like. Since getting 25mbps internet, effectivly unlimited downloads, my (myself and wife) have fundamentally changed the way we live. We now have many more connected devices that pole the internet, cameras that you can view of home from work, DVR that download content to HDD or stream online. The reality is that most people cant see the future so this is why they dont ask for broadband. But once they have it then things start to happen, and one purchase at a time, you start to use new services, to thte point where you wondered how you lived without it. This is a consumer view for sure, but the same applies to businesses. We now use online email and collaboration tools, various SaaS platforms and other things. Not even possible over dialup.
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Look at Norway and the OECD Fibre report
written by Rudolf, April 17, 2008
Last week I was at the OECD fibre conference in Stavanger, where Lyse Tele explained that they regularly see users use up to 80Mbit/s when watching HD streams. One for the PVR, One for main TV, two for the kids tv's = 4*20Mbit/s. Norwegian TV is broadcasting standard definition at 11 Mbit/s

Herman Wagter of Citynet Amsterdam showed that in order to send 500Kbyte from one user to the other and back and make it feel like real time (under 200 milliseconds) you need at least 40Mbit/s both ways with alot of overhead, so that other stuff doesn't interfere.

The new OECD report, Developments in Fibre Technologies and Investment, is available from www.oecd.org/dataoecd/49/8/40390735.pdf. The OECD also has a Broadband Portal at www.oecd.org/sti/ict/broadband
The OECD assumes a minimum of 50Mbit/s to and 10Mbit/s from the User.
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written by Paul, April 17, 2008
Hi Rudolf & Ben,

This is all interesting stuff, Rudolf i'd like to hear more about how those scandanavian countries are funding their deployments.

is it because they have high GDP
Is it because of climatic issues
is it because they charge high rates for TV content?

I chatted briefly off line with Ben about this. In our country total TV revenue might be 3-400mill pa.
A Fibre to the home deployment is anywhere between 4-10 billion depending on coverage. How is that going to offer a payback to shareholder investment?
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TV shouldn\'t pay for fiber
written by Rudolf van der Berg, July 23, 2008
The way they pay for it in Norway/Sweden is by having the end-user pay for it. An investment of around 2500 euro roughly translates to 30 euro a month at 70% penetration. In some places users are digging fibre trenches themselves because they are too far of the road.

As said in the OECD report, you really shouldn't have services pay for the network part. The network part in itself can be paid by a monthly fee easily. Mixing services and networks leads to all kinds of competitive distortions.

So can you do this in NZ at a reasonable monthly price. Yes you can. provided you have users pay for the network and not for something else. It takes 10-15 years to build a network. A bit of subsidy from the government might take the edge of the monthly fees and bob's your uncle.

This may sound very simplistic, but networks are 90% fixed costs. If it was a good idea to build an electricity network that can only provide one service, than an investment in a fibre network will be absolutely no different. If you compare the monthly price/monthly income ratio for fibre, you'll see that you're better off then when we started rolling out electricity.

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